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This is NOT a Holocaust Denial!
Allan , London: Feb 7 2009
Made Popular Feb 10 2009

This is NOT a Holocaust Denial!

I have been hesitant about writing this article and have been putting it off for the better part of a year now because I know what sort of a reaction it is going to get from the general population.

Having listened to historical accounts of past war atrocities for the better part of my life I gradually came to suspect that some of the stories floating around were being exaggerated a bit depending on just who it was that was doing the telling.

I should start off by saying that I call this theory my “Factor of Ten” rule!

NOTE: This article means to suggest that misdeeds by the winners of any conflict are minimized by UP TO a factor of ten and atrocities by the losers exaggerated by UP TO a factor of ten. Just to clear up any confusion...I did not mean to imply that it was always by that amount! Allan Janssen

We could get into all sorts of debates and facts and charts and graphs and quotes and claims and proclamations about historical “facts,” but when everything is reduced to the bottom line it seems that any atrocity or bad deed perpetrated by the victors is diminished by a factor of “TEN” while anything naughty done by the losers is exaggerated by a factor of “TEN!”

(I’m sure everyone one has heard of, and will agree with the old expression; “History is written by the victors.”)

I am going to give you some historical examples of this “Factor of ten” rule and urge you to give it a fair and comprehensive test to check it’s validity.

Why not start with every bodies favorite whipping boy, Christianity! And what have we got against Christianity, you may ask?

Why, The Inquisition!

From the mid 1400’s c.e. till the mid 1700’s c.e. the Church claimed to have killed 50,000 to 100,000 heretics and witches, while the actual count was in the half a million to one million mark! (Factor of Ten)

From 1500 c.e. till now the Western countries will tell you that millions of Aboriginals (Indians) were killed when the real figure is in the TENS of millions!

(This includes a million Aboriginals in Australia who had been peacefully living there for the past 50,000 years!)

From 1885 to the 1900’s the Belgian Congo lost an official million people to genocide while the actual figure was about 10 million.

Starting in 1915 in Turkey, the government exterminated an official 150,000 Armenians while outside sources put the casualties at more like one and a half million! (1,500,000)

From 1920 to 1950 the Russian government claimed they lost 2 million people when the Communist government systematically exterminated millions of its citizens.

Some died from being worked to death in the camps of the gulag additional methods such as: terrorizing the public by random executions, purges, show trials, and artificially induced famines.

The death toll was eventually established at around 20 million, not 2 million!

In 1937 during the war between Japan and China, the Japanese invading army launched a massive attack on the city of Nanking - then the capital of China.

Three days later, the Chinese defense forces retreated across the Yangtze River.

Then began a Japanese orgy of looting and mass execution where Japan claimed that 50,000 people were killed, but the actual figure was closer to 500,000. (Including 50,000 women who were also raped.)

(At this point, I need to point out that although I am a Canadian, I was born German and have had quite a few conversations with my relatives about what happened there during the Second World War, and this is what got me started down this whole road in the first place!)

I am talking about things that are done during wartime that no one wants to acknowledge and would rather forget about. But none the less they are historical facts and have to be looked at.

Especially if the facts are played lose and fast to hide guilt or remorse.

Most of these events you will likely agree with, or at least put in the realm of possibility, and one might cause quite a bit of outrage.

But, they must all be put under a microscope and seen for what they are!

Let’s begin with Dresden in the second world war.

Before we go any further, most of my information was supplied by my great grandfather who was witness to most of the major events of the first half of the twentieth century!

(And by the way, he absolutely HATED the NAZI’S so don’t think there was any biased reporting on his part!)

We will start with Dresden.

Dresden was a university town with absolutely no military significance whatsoever and towards the end of the war it became a refugee camp for between one half to three quarters of a million women and children fleeing the advancing Russian army.

There were no real concentrations of German troops in the city except what was needed to keep the women and kids moving westward.

(Everyone knew that the war was lost and millions of people were attempting to stay ahead of the Russians so that they could surrender to they Allies - Britain, U.S. Canada.)

Exactly fifty three years ago TODAY, the firebombing of Dresden was in full swing and I will let this article from Wikipedia tell the modern version of what happened!

The Bombing of Dresden by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and United States Army Air Force (USAAF) between 13 February and 15 February 1945, 12 weeks before the surrender of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) of Nazi Germany, remains one of the most controversial Allied actions of the Second World War.

The raids saw 1,300 heavy bombers drop over 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices in four raids, destroying 13 square miles (34 km2) of the city, the baroque capital of the German state of Saxony, and then causing a firestorm that consumed the entire city.

Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 40,000 and 50,000.
The fact of the matter is folks, that shortly after the war the figure was placed at about a half a million women and children refugees (500,000+) who were incinerated in the firestorm, but that figure has been steadily revised downwards over the years.

Why it was revised could be due to many factors but one of the most compelling would be a sense of guilt over what was done.

Be that as it may, it was a long time ago and for better or worse, it is over and done with and we should move on. I only bring it up because this is by far not the only atrocity that has been distorted by the hands of time.

Just as the casualties of Dresden were minimized by a factor of ten, so were the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the Pacific campaign of the second world war. (AND BY THE WAY KIDS, BOMBING JAPAN WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS WAS NOT EVEN NECESSARY. THE WAR WAS ALREADY WON AND JAPAN WAS DRAFTING A PEACE TREATY... BUT THE U.S. NEEDED TO TEST THEIR BOMBS SO...!)

Initial reports of the first bomb dropped on Hiroshima put the death toll at about fifty thousand, although to the credit of the U.S. this was later revised to 80- 100,000 people killed.

The reality of the matter was that on top of the casualties from the bomb itself, over half a million (500,000) perished from the firestorms that came after.

Once again the “Factor of Ten” comes into play!

Now, if we stick to the same general time period and look a bit further to the East, the root cause of the Holodomor (Genocide of The Ukraine) is a subject of scholarly debate.

Some scholars have argued that the Soviet policies that caused the famine may have been designed as an attack on the rise of Ukrainian nationalism, and therefore fall under the legal definition of genocide.

Others, however, conclude that the Holodomor was a consequence of the economic problems associated with radical economic changes implemented during the period of Soviet industrialization.

But, since last year, (March 2008) the parliament of Ukraine and many governments of other countries have recognized the actions of the Soviet government as an act of genocide.

Whatever you want to call it, this extinction was originally pegged at about 250,000 to half a million people by the Russians but further study brought out a figure of 2-5 million people. (Once again the “Factor of Ten” rule!)

Now, my friends, we come to the part that is going to cause a lot of trouble and outrage, and yet to be true to myself I have to present what I believe, and let the dice fall where they may.

The subject that I have been agonizing over is the “Holocaust!”

That’s right kids, that “big bad bogey man” that just won’t go away as long as there is still one living breathing Jew walking around on this planet!

You see, that’s where the German’s made one of their biggest mistakes. They took on a group OF PEOPLE WHO developed the where-with-all to fight back!

And you can bet that the Jews ain’t gonna let anyone forget what was done to them!

No sir!

And why,you ask? That’s easy, because they now have the economic might, coupled with a long memory, and they are going to take this and USE IT! (And remember bunky, revenge is sweet so who can blame them!)

The “fact” of the Holocaust has never been an issue for me, but I feel that this (”Factor of Ten”) rule should be applied here as well, and this is where we might have a few problems!

This mass genocide perpetrated by Germany during World War 11 has been called the Shoah in Hebrew, the Holocaust in English, and the Devouring among the Roma.(Gypsies)

According to popular lore some 10 million people were first declared sub-human and then murdered.

Some were killed when the towns and cities in which they lived were captured by German troops.

Others were rounded up, and transported to extermination camps, where the gas ovens waited.

Jews: Officially about 6 million were killed, mostly in death camps. Hitler’s stated goal was to completely clear all Europe of Jews.

Poles: They said that about 3 million were killed.

Then about a million Gypsies, Homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and disabled persons. (Germans who were crippled or mentally ill.)

O.K. Pay attention now. According to official estimates that should total about 10 million, but I learned something different growing up German and hearing first hand accounts from friends and relatives.

First of all the part about the crippled and mentally ill. WRONG, Germany had a welfare state and people with severe physical or mental problems were sheltered and taken care of in State run hospitals. They were considered the most vulnerable part of the population and had to be sheltered. Not killed in death camps.

Got that!

There was no official policy on Gypsies, Homosexuals or Jehovah’s Witnesses and outside of any personal feelings or discrimination, they were left alone.

Here comes the big one! The Jews and the Poles.

Did the Holocaust happen? OF COURSE IT DID!

Was it exaggerated by the winners? Of course it was!

Sorry to say it Folks, but I have to believe my Great Grandfather, (Who hated the Nazi’s) when he told me straight out that “there weren’t anywhere near 6 million Jews in all of Europe before the war, and it would have been impossible to gas that many in the time they had anyway!”

Taking in the “factor of Ten” rule and other information I have dug up, I can make a rough guess that there were about 500,000 to 600,000 thousand Jews killed, a quarter of a million Poles, and a bunch of criminals and low-life’s as well, since Germany was very “law and order” at the time!

That’s about a million people killed ..., or 999,999 too many!

Now please, do not call me a Holocaust denier because that is far from the truth.

The only claim I make here is that in this case the winners have once again employed the “Factor of Ten” rule!

Allan W Janssen is the author of the book The Plain Truth About God (What the mainstream religions don’t want you to know!) and is available as an E-Book H E R E ! and as a paperback H E R E !

Visit the blog “Perspective” at Allans-perspective.

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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Before you make up your mind about the number of people killed in the Holocaust, i suggest you do a bit of research ion the archive section of the Yad Vashem web site.

There are close to 4 million names on file, and new names are frequently added upon appropriate documentation. Those who were summarily executed immediately behind front lines by the Einsatzgruppen will probably never be accurately counted, so the historians’ estimates of between 5.6 to 6 million Jews is probably accurate, your grandfather’s opinion notwithstanding.

I wouldn’t call this ”Holocaust denial”, just sloppy research.
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Ha. what a joke. And we are to believe your great grandaddy who supposedly hated Nazis (but probably hated the Jews, as probably do you) is the be all and end all of knowledge. Be real. Convenient that your factor of 10 increases with everyone but the Nazi holocaust. You might not be denying the holocaust, but you certainly sound anti-semitic.
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Allan God-101.com
London, Canada
Thank you for your comments Michael, they are reasoned and well thought out. The purpose of this whole article was to point out the disparity between what actually happened at historical events and what was said about them afterwards.
As for Incognito, calling me a Jew hater and anti-semetic is a little rough when I state in the article that the Jews have my utmost respect and admiration.
Allan W Janssen
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
ALlan, Based solely on your great grandfathers words... right. You’ve convinced me.
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Allan God-101.com
London, Canada
After all this back and forth your humble author would like to finish with this...... I did go to the web sites concerning Jews populations in Europe in the 1930’s and since it was a post-war documentation they all agreed with each other that there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe around 1935.

But, then I did some research on earlier histories of Jews in Europe since ”recent estimates might be suspect” and found this............ In the year 1764 the WORLDWIDE Jewish population was 1.2 million people and had been pretty stable at that figure for quite some time.

Then in the next one hundred and seventy years the population miraculously went up to 11.7 million (because over two million Jews also emmigrated to the United states by 1924) to give Europe it’s 9.5 million population. (And we are leaving the rest of the world except Europe out of these figures)

No, I don’t think my great grandfather was that far off!

It’s the revisionists that need to be looked at!

Also, I have heard both sides of the Japanese story and can’t say for sure which is right, but I do believe the Generals were only too happy to have someone to test their new ”bomb” on!

Don’t forget, every war the U.S. has been in during the past two hundred years has been mainly used as a testing ground for new weapons.

Eisehhower didn’ issue his warning about the ”Military Industrial Complex” for nothing but too many people either didn’t take him seriously or just outright ignored him!

Allan W Janssen
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Allan, from your own words, I think you’re ”missing” the ”minor” datum of the Middle Eastern Jews. You mention Europe and the Americas as if they were the entire world.

There have been Jewish communities as far off as China, India, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya, the Philippines and Malaysia, not to mention the Middle Eastern countries, where more than a million Jews resided before 1948.

As I said before, sloppy research.

BTW, do you believe that any census from 1764 really had the ability to count ”all the Jews in the world”? I seriously doubt it.
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Regarding the use of the atomic bombs on Japan, I would suggest that you do a little research about ”Operation Downfall”– the Allied plans for the invasion of the Japanese home islands.

Casualty projections for both sides went into the millions, and the timeline was several years until surrender, so it can be argued that the use of atomic weapons actually shortened the war and saved lives.

I will admit that you’re more ”generous” than another German-born gentleman in Canada who insisted in another forum that only about 200,000 Jews died in the Holocaust, basing his claims on his father’s information as a railway scheduler.

With all due respect, both his father’s information and your grandfather’s are no more than anecdotal, and have little real value in honest research.
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Allan God-101.com
London, Canada
Yes I can believe population estimates from 1764 more than 1930 if revisionists got there hands on the figures.
As for the Japanese casualty projections you talk about, they were estimates from a few years earlier on the total cost of invading Japan.
Things changed drastically after the Tokyo bombings.
By the way, these were firebombings as well.
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Since different sources give different population estimates for various times in history, some of them wildy at variance with each other...

For example, Prof. Salo Baron of Columbia University estimates the Jewish population in the first century CE at 8 million, while Prof. Magen Broshi of the Israel Museum places the number at 2 million for the same period. Several other noted historians use estimates at various points between the first two.

Any historical population estimate is a ”guesstimate” at best, and more likely to be wrong than right unless backed up by empirical evidence.

Most of the researchers involved plainly state that there are serious difficulties in defining even a general worldwide estimate for any particular period.

As a pragmatic engineer, I prefer my data to be just a wee bit more concrete and a lot less guesswork, thanks.

Since no really serious planning for Operation Downfall took place prior to April 1945, I suspect that your assumptions are wrong. There’s a fairly good short article at http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/operation_downfall.htm

Your objection to German and Japanese towns being firebombed by the Allies is noted. Do you have the same objections to the Luftwaffe having firebombed London in 1940-1? I’m beginning to have serious doubts about your objectivity... (understatement)
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Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Michael D, ”I’m beginning to have serious doubts about your objectivity.... (understatement)” It’s taken you this long? Sorry, Allan, but that’s the way i see it.
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Hi, Incog... just being a bit ironic. Allan’s arguments take ”data” that I found on a couple of websites... you know the kind... the ones where I want to wash my hands after I check them out... barf!
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Allan God-101.com
London, Canada
Michael I am well aware of the Battle of London but don’t want to get into a mud slinging contest like you do. As for research on the web, I think my info on a census in 1764 would be one hell of a lot more accurate than something that you quote from the first century so don’t talk to me about my accuracy.
Besides that, what does the Jewish population at the time of Christ have to do with anything?
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Michael Davison
Raanana, Israel
Gee, I seem to have touched a nerve somewhere.

“I am well aware of the Battle of London but don’t want to get into a mud slinging contest like you do. As for research on the web, I think my info on a census in 1764 would be one hell of a lot more accurate than something that you quote from the first century so don’t talk to me about my accuracy.

“Besides that, what does the Jewish population at the time of Christ have to do with anything?”

One could ask the same question about the Jewish population of 1764 relative to the Jewish population before and after WW II. Unless you have some data for the interim between 1764 and the 1930s, the sole datum of 1764 is worthless (particularly when you give no source). Since you obviously didn’t understand, my use of this particular data was to illustrate the extreme diversity of population estimates among historians.

I don’t have to look for events if I were to enter a “mud-slinging contest”—there are plenty of German examples from the Franco-Prussian War onwards that were German “firsts”. You opened the door on that one when you accused American generals of “being only too happy to have someone to test their new bomb on”. Germany under Bismarck, Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler was not a nice place (to say the least).

You’re not the first German heritage apologist I’ve run into on Internet forums and I doubt you’ll be the last. What I’ve found consistent with all of the apologists is the tendency to excuse or minimize German peccadilloes while harping on those of the enemy of the time. My only answer is: “It’s called war—I’m sorry if it’s too difficult for you to deal with.”
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Me Enki
New York City, United States
Germans are true criminals not Palestinians. Jewish state should have been in Germany not Palestine. Why do Zionists want Palestinians land instead of Germans?

Those who are guilty lose nothing. Those who did no genocide lose their country!
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